Water Pump

Went to a local mechanic because my car was over heating, even when driven a short distance. They replaced my radiator, a thermometer and gasket all new parts. Then proceeded to say my water was also leaking that I would need a new timing belt and a new water pump. Is it safe to drive?? I need a second opinion.

My car has 15000 miles.
My car has an automatic transmission.

Experienced mechanics share their insights in answering this question :
If the overheating problem was not resolved with the new radiator and thermostat then it is not safe to drive the car simply because overheating will damage the engine. If, however, the overheating problem was resolved with the installation of a new radiator and new thermostat, whether it is safe to drive it depends on how bad the leak at the water pump is. Water pumps will "weep" to some limited extent in normal operation but if the leak becomes significant, it’s time to replace the pump. So, the question may be how soon do you have to replace the water pump and that just depends on how significant the "weeping" from the pump weep hole is. The reason the timing belt was mentioned is because that belt often drives the water pump pulley and/or is in the vicinity of the pump so it is convenient to replace the belt while that area of the engine is opened up for service anyway. It’s sort of cheap insurance because timing belts do not last forever. If you would like a second opinion as to the condition of the water pump and the necessity of changing the timing belt, YourMechanic can dispatch a certified professional to conduct an inspection.

How to Identify and Fix Common car Problems ?

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The most common reasons a Honda Civic is overheating are a coolant leak (water pump, radiator, hose etc.), the radiator fan, or a failed thermostat. Coolant leak (water pump, radiator, hose etc.)
If it gets hot at all times, then it may have a clogged radiator, or more commonly a leaking head gasket. I would perform a block test prior to changing anything else. If that fails the test, then the engine will need to be disassembled and repaired. If it passes, then it may need a radiator.
Another way to check water pump operation:

Remove the radiator cap. Start the engine and allow it to reach operating temperature. As the thermostat opens, you`ll see the coolant circulating through the radiator opening; otherwise, the water pump isn`t working or there could be a radiator restriction.

Overheating can be caused by a: Cooling system leak – This is the most common cause for a car to overheat. The radiator, hoses, water pump, head gasket, and thermostat housing are all components of the cooling system, and all can be susceptible to leaks.
With the engine off, open your hood and locate the water pump pulley. With gloves on, grab it and wiggle it back and forth. There should be no movement, if there is, this along with the noise is a good indication you may have a water pump problem.
Overheating. A dead or dying water pump cannot circulate coolant through your vehicle`s engine and, as such, the engine will overheat. The hotter the engine gets the greater the chance of serious damage, including a cracked engine block and damage to the cylinders, pistons, and head gasket.
Steam comes out from under your hood

Finally, if you notice steam coming from the front of the engine when driving or stopping, this is an instant sign of the engine overheating.

Start your car`s engine and allow it to idle. Look through the radiator filler neck to see if the coolant flows. At this time, it should not be flowing as your car has not reached the operating temperature to cause the thermostat to open. If you find the coolant is flowing, it means the thermostat valve is open.
One way to check for proper coolant circulation is to check the upper and lower radiator hoses. The upper radiator hose should be hot, around 190–200 °F. (The safest and most accurate way to get this temperature reading is with an infrared thermometer.)
Irregular Operating Temperatures

One of the most prevalent symptoms of thermostat failure is irregular operating temperatures. A stuck closed thermostat will cause engine temperatures to skyrocket, while a stuck open thermostat will cause an engine to run cool.

Stock Honda thermostats are designed to fully open around 185 – 195 degrees depending on model and/or engine. Many “performance” thermostats are designed to open around 160 degrees.
Radiators are comprised of long tubes through which coolant circulates. The primary cause of an overheating radiator is debris and sediment building up inside the tubes and causing a blockage. This then means that coolant cannot pass through, causing the radiator and subsequently the engine to overheat.
Common problems include overheating, leakage, low water pressure, noisy operation, and cavitation. These problems can be prevented or fixed by regular maintenance, inspection, and replacement of worn-out parts.
The water pump is one of the vehicle components that may never require replacement if your vehicle is well-taken care of. You can own a car for over 15 years and never have to replace the water pump. That`s not to say that it can`t develop a problem.
The pump may not leak coolant, but the pump mechanism itself may have failed. Over time the fins of the pump can actually wear down to the point where they are no longer moving coolant. Cavitation can eat away at the metal pump vanes and pump surfaces.
The water pump moves the coolant through the system and the thermostat regulates this flow to maintain operating temperature. If the water pump has failed, the coolant will not flow through the system so the temperature will rise quickly and the heat will be concentrated on the engine.
The water pump, often referred to as the coolant pump, circulates liquid coolant through the radiator and engine cooling system, and is powered by the engine itself. It ensures that the engine temperature is maintained at a safe level while operating.
Engine Overheating

A failing water pump will cause your engine to heat up, and that`s not a good thing. To prevent catastrophic engine failure, look for these signs of an overheated engine due to water pump failure, including: A fluctuating temperature gauge.

Most centrifugal pumps can handle water temperatures up to 250 F. At temperatures above 300 F, pumps and piping systems start to expand dramatically. The American Petroleum Institute (API) Standard 610 recommends that pumps in this temperature range and above should be designed with centerline-supported casing.
Two types of high temperature pumps are available, namely 195 °F (95 °C) and 220 °F (105 °C) versions.
The engine will overheat if the radiator is clogged. The engine`s working temperature should be around 200 degrees Fahrenheit. When it reaches above this temperature, the coolants will no longer be able to absorb the heat properly, leading to an overheated engine.
If there is no pressure in the cooling system, the coolant will boil off.
The thermostat, located between the radiator and the engine, ensures the coolant stays below a specific temperature. If the temperature of the coolant falls below a certain temperature, the thermostat closes the passage blocking the flow of coolant to the radiator and sends it back to the engine.
If the thermostat goes down, the system will not know when to release fluid into the radiator, and if the water pump fails, the system will not have the pressure necessary to circulate the coolant. If either of these things happens, the radiator will not work as designed.

Relevant Questions and Answers :

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Can a jeep run and drive without a water pump??
ANSWER : Driving or running the engine without the water pump working to circulate the coolant through the motor will cause the motor to overheat and may damage the engine costing thousands of dollars versus using a tow truck to take the vehicle to the shop that will cost a lot less. I would not recommend running the engine more than a few minutes at a time or you will overheat it.

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My water pump is leaking but I replaced timing belt and pump a year ago. Can I just replace the water pump this time?
ANSWER : Hello. You can just replace the water pump in this case. Although, the cost of just the timing belt is fairly negligible in comparison to the total labor of the job. My estimator says the water pump is a 6.5 hour job. Multiply that by whatever the shop rate is and you have the total labor without parts. You end up saving about $100 or less on parts if you only replace the pump.

The deciding factor will be the condition of the timing belt. If it has problems, you won’t be saving yourself any money by reusing it. In addition, there are seals and pulleys that may need to be replaced as well.

Assuming all the related parts were replaced the first time around, there isn’t a reason you can’t reuse them. I would say you should weigh the savings of reusing them against the actual condition of the parts. This is best determined after a complete disassembly. Keep in mind, time estimates will vary a bit depending on many factors. Either way, the labor is the largest cost.

If you would like to have the water pump replaced, a certified professional from YourMechanic can come to your car’s location to perform this service at your convenience.

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My car still overheats, I replaced water pump and thermostat, and now after water pump install it knocks bad
ANSWER : Hi there:

Trying to diagnose an overheating issue remotely is incredibly difficult. However, there are three things you can do to attempt to solve this issue. First, remove the water pump, verify it’s the right replacement part and reinstall with new gaskets. Second, flush the radiator coolant fully, as the issue could be caused by an obstruction inside the heater core or other coolant lines. Third, make sure to check all electrical connections to the radiator sensors and components. If you check and complete all three of those tasks, and you still have overheating problems, contact a professional mobile mechanic to complete a car is overheating inspection.

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I have a 00 deville I just changed the water pump housing and water pump the thermostat and radiator the upper and lower radiator 2000 Cadillac De Ville
ANSWER : Hi there – I suspect your radiator is clogged or otherwise corroded so that it is not shedding heat as efficiently as it should. Idling with the heater on was getting rid of heat without loading the radiator. When you’re driving, the engine is generating more heat than both the heater and radiator can get rid of. Checking the difference between hot coolant going to the radiator (top hose), and going back into the engine (bottom hose) may show that there is very little temperature difference. This means the radiator is not doing it’s job, and need to be professionally cleaned or replaced. Good diagnostic effort on your part to avoid the obvious "it’s another Northstar head gasket" diagnosis! For confirmation, I would recommend an overheating inspection by a mobile, professional mechanic, such as one from YourMechanic, who will come to your location, diagnose this problem, give you an accurate assessment of damage and cost estimate for repairs.

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I had my timing belt and water pump replaced 45000 miles ago. Now I am told I need to replace water pump. Is this normal?
ANSWER : Hello there, 45,000 miles is a short lifespan for a water pump on your 2000 Honda Odyssey. There are a few reasons the water pump will need to be replaced, such as a pump bearing failure, water pump seal leak, or rust/contamination damaging the pump. Faults such as rust or particles in the cooling system are formed in the cooling system over time and the parts break down, or regular coolant flushes are not performed. These particles can cause the pump to fail prematurely. It would be a good idea to ask why the water pump needs to be replaced or take note of any symptoms you are experiencing with the car before moving forward with this. If you would like to have an expert give you a second opinion on this, a certified technician from YourMechanic can come to your location to inspect the car and replace the water pump if necessary.

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My water pump just dumped all its fluid. Is it safe to drive my truck if I fill it back up with water without a new pump?
ANSWER : Anytime there is no or low coolant in a vehicle, it can be very harmful to the engine. Low coolant can cause a seized engine or a blown head gasket.

It is recommended that you have the vehicle towed to a location to have the cooling system repaired. If you can, refill the engine with coolant, and if the fluid does not run out as quickly as you put it in, then you may be able to drive a short distance to a safe location, but it is not recommended.

If you need assistance, get a mobile mechanic, such as one from YourMechanic, to inspect and determine the source of the leak, and replace the water pump, if needed.

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Does the water pump need to be replaced if the water pump belt is showing signs of wear? Or just the belt?
ANSWER : Hi, thanks for writing in. There is no reason to replace the water pump every time the belt is changed, unless the pump itself is damaged or not working properly. The belt may show signs of wear which is fairly common between 80k-100k miles. I would not recommend putting the belt service off as this can cause major damage if the belt were to snap. I would recommend having an expert from YourMechanic come to your home to inspect your belts to determine when and if they would need to be replaced, while at the same time inspecting your water pump and cooling system to be sure there are no issues with it.

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Leaking water pump new Honda pump at 134000!! Any suggestions besides changing the pump
ANSWER : I never recommend using a "fix-in-a-can" or a "stop leak," as this can add sludge to your engine. You may just have a faulty gasket for the water pump or even a faulty water pump. In either scenario, the valve cover and timing covers have to be removed to determine the cause of the leak. It may be a simple gasket problem or an issue with installation. I would definitely not recommend using stop leak as it will sludge your engine.

I would recommend a pressure test and a visual inspection of the leak once the covers are removed.

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